There’s a scene in Starz’s forthcoming documentary series The Chair—which debuts September 6, and which I previewed here—where director Shane Dawson and his producing partner Lauren Schnipper are discussing the rewriting of the script with their producer-at-large, Josh Shader, one of the only people in touch with both of the two productions being made from the same script by Dan Schoffer. It’s as tense a confrontation as you see in the first two episodes of the series, as Schnipper works to break down the writing credits of the still in-progress script that was heavily rewritten and noted by Dawson before being shipped back to Schoffer to take a final pass. Without saying it directly, her question is predicated on the likely results of a WGA arbitration hearing for the film, and Shader’s answer is—paraphrasing—that because they gave the option back to Schoffer to write the final version of the script, Dawson’s contributions will just be considered notes that happen when a director gets involved with a project, with Schoffer therefore retaining final, sole credit on the film.
It’s a moment of some tension. Schoffer gives a talking head discussing how Dawson’s claim to credit is an overreach, but as relative first-timers in the context of film production Schnipper and Dawson are mainly just looking for clarification on what to expect moving forward, which seems reasonable. Credit is complicated, as Schnipper notes when she contrasts Dawson’s process (rewriting/notes and then sending the script back to the writer) and fellow filmmaker Anna Martemucci’s greater control over the script to her film. Whereas Dawson effectively rehired Schoffer to rewrite his own script, Martemucci took the job herself, with the documentary following her completion of the script heading into production. And so this foreshadows what may appear as part of the documentary, which is a likely arbitration hearing for her film, the result of which will determine the writing credits for Hollidaysburg when it debuts in theaters and on Starz this fall.
It will be a rare case where we’ll potentially have a lot of very clear information about the arguments made before an arbitration hearing, beyond simply knowing the result (A “Story by” credit for the original writer, a shared writing credit, etc.). In most cases, there isn’t a documentary film crew following every stage of the production, and there aren’t two concurrent projects that let you draw a direct comparison between the two. There’s just an end result and bits of pieces of production history, as is the case with this weekend’s Guardians of the Galaxy (which I “reviewed” on Letterboxd if you’re looking for more thoughts on the film). The film’s script is credited to James Gunn and Nicole Perlman, although the two never worked together on the film. In a lengthy—and fascinating—Buzzfeed profile on Perlman, as well as in numerous Q&As and features she’s done in the past week, it’s revealed she worked as part of the Marvel Writing Program, an incubator in which writers were brought in to help develop Marvel properties into potential franchises. Over a two-year period, she worked on adapting the Guardians of the Galaxy series into a workable film franchise, including choosing the roster, plotting out the story, and then completing further writing work during a six-month freelance period once it was clear Marvel was serious about that project.
The Buzzfeed piece features lots of detail on her experience with Marvel and her role in conceiving of this project, but it also acknowledges that she was never going to be its sole screenwriter.
“It wasn’t a question of if, it was a question of when,” she said. “I always knew they were going to bring in a writer-director. That was always sort of the plan. I’m not primarily a comedy writer, but it needed to be a comedic project. Like, this is a project that has always been irreverent. It’s always been tongue-in-cheek. And so that was always the question.”
James Gunn became the writer-director in question, and thus began the careful negotiation of authorship. Perlman hasn’t been erased from material around the film, and she was both invited to the set and attended the film’s gala premiere, so it’s not as though there is intense conflict or bad feelings about the experience. And the fact that Marvel is letting her talk about her experience so openly speaks volumes, given they could have probably signed her into nondisclosure agreements if they had felt they needed to. I could be cynical for a moment and note that Marvel is likely allowing this because of the positive press it’s brought over a Marvel Studios film finally having a female writer, making it probable they would have worked harder to marginalize her contributions had she not been given a co-writing credit in WGA arbitration (thus giving them a “lemons into lemonade” option of a progressive gender story), but she is nonetheless being allowed to articulate her authorship in popular discourse around the film. That’s important.
However, Marvel has also very much positioned this as James Gunn’s vision, in the same way that Edgar Wright’s Ant-Man was positioned as his vision right up until creative differences led to his departure, and Marvel began the uphill battle of trying to get “Peyton Reed and Adam McKay’s Ant-Man” to overwrite the existing authorial work done in the many years of development on the project. Whereas Perlman’s authorship—bounded primarily in a story development process controlled by Marvel and with limited profile based on her relative lack of experience—is fairly easily rearticulated as secondary (if still meaningful) in discourse around the film in the wake of Gunn’s hiring, Wright’s intense authorship discourses are much more prominent, and will be a greater challenge for Marvel (and one imagines the arbiter in a WGA hearing).
We don’t know exactly how the WGA determined the shared screenwriting credit on Guardians of the Galaxy, but the range of deep texts of production like Perlman’s Buzzfeed profile and other interviews available to us lead us to want to make our own determinations, as we form our own informal arbitration for “credit” on the film in the court of popular discourse. Gunn’s weighed in himself: at a junket for the film, he told Film Divider’s Charles Madison that
“Really, in Nicole’s script everything is pretty different. I mean the story is different, there’s no Walkman, the character arcs are different, it’s not about the same stuff. But that’s how the WGA works. They like first writers an awful lot.”
Here we see Gunn—in addition to noting that he would not have credited Perlman as a co-writer if he was in charge of the process—laying claim to particular elements—the music, the character arcs, the “story”—and not others, and if we combine with Perlman’s comments about the comedy in the film, then a lot of what I personally enjoyed most about the project sounds like what Gunn brought to the table once Perlman’s work on the film was complete. And so in writing about the film, part of me would feel comfortable giving Gunn a lot of credit for making the film that I eventually saw. But then we could look to Perlman’s response to what would appear to be an e-mail question from Moviehole:
“We didn’t collaborate, they brought in James Gunn with his ideas, he was the director and added his “James Gunn flavor” and a few characters and worked off my script.”
That paints a slightly different picture, in which any claim to prioritizing Gunn’s contributions is focusing on flavor instead of the main ingredients (with the new characters merely a garnish—she referred to all of this as “James Gunn magic” to The Hollywood Reporter). As much as there doesn’t appear to be any outright conflict regarding the scripting timeline, the final WGA decision, or the ultimate prioritizing of Gunn’s authorship by Marvel, there is still plenty of murkiness regarding the authorship of the film.
This murky negotiation of writing credit makes writing about the film into a bit of a minefield. Take this Crave Online interview with Gunn as an example: as it was originally written, the story failed to mention Perlman at all, prompting an editor’s correction and apology. However, the correction itself almost goes too far based on what we know, as it suggests Gunn “wrote the screenplay with Nicole Perlman,” when the two never actually worked on the script at the same time. There’s no question the correction was necessary, as Perlman’s work on developing the concept for the film built a foundation for any work that followed (and was credited in a way that reflects this, if not even more), but at the same time would it be unfair to Gunn to create the impression that story and character material he personally developed and added to the story does not belong to him and him alone given that Perlman was not involved directly? And moreover, although Perlman and Gunn’s stories seem to overlap as it relates to their contributions to the end product, can we take Gunn’s word for it when it comes to which elements of the film belong to him exclusively, or is this just him consciously or unconsciously engaging in discourses of conspicuous authorship to ensure his contributions are foregrounded in coverage of the film?
I raise none of these points in an attempt to discredit Perlman; her status as the first woman credited on a Marvel film is enormously important, and will hopefully be the start of a trend for a company that has a production history problematically linked to broader narratives of gender and Hollywood. However, in writing about the film myself and reading writing about it—particularly Todd VanDerWerff’s review at Vox, where he takes pains to include Perlman in each nod to authorship—I found myself struggling with how to engage with the particulars of the film within these conversations. And this doesn’t even get into the larger question of how much autonomy any filmmaker—no matter how much they articulate their authorship—can have within the massive Marvel Cinematic Universe machine. Were the issues I had with the film’s structure a byproduct of Perlman’s original treatment that Marvel Studios insisted on maintaining even as Gunn took over? And do we then consider that to be outside of Gunn’s responsibility, or has his choice to take such strong authorship made any and all decisions into his responsibility as writer/director, even if their original authorship lies with Perlman’s contributions?
For a film that is often so enjoyable because of how uncomplicated it is compared to the overly-extended Marvel Cinematic Universe, reading about Guardians of the Galaxy has been a comparative minefield, albeit one that offers plenty of discussion of how we conceive of authorship in popular discourse around a piece of major studio filmmaking; it also makes a nice precursor for the Ant-Man conversation we’ll be having roughly a year from now.
13 responses to “The Court of Popular Discouse: The Authorship of Marvel’s Guardians of the Galaxy”
If you think they film authorship question is a minefield have pity for those thinking about how to credit the authorship of the comic ideas it’s based on. The films credits have a line stating it’s based on the series by Dan Abnett and Andy Lanning, undoubtedly the most influential run conceptually, yet this was a series spinning out of an event where the first team up of Star-lord, Groot and Rocket was written by Keith Giffen (originator of the Rocket/Groot partnership though not “I Am Groot”), from an idea by Editor Bill Roseman. An idea that involved teaming up, dirty dozen style, disparate characters created over 5 decades by a myriad of authors and artists. Speaking of artists, both Abnett and Lanning are the writers no artist is credited specifically for the comics or designs, how do you credit them for influencing the films artists and pre-vizzers when each is tweaking and building on their predecessor or outsiders designs?
Also, the name originates from a completely different fictional comic team. Also, also, the characters in the film depart in many respects from those on the page.
I did notice a number of artists and writers given special thanks beyond the aforementioned “based on” credit but didn’t have time to see if everyone mentioned above or who i’d consider contributive was there. So I’m not surprised to see credit for the series or “Intellectual Property” (and thus authorship) given to the corporate owners Marvel in every review or article about this film by default, since it’s a lot more tricky than the usual Lee & Kirby(which has its own well-trodden popular discourse controversies).
The end credits do give a “special thanks” to a list of many comics writers and artists associated with the characters, including Jack Kirby (creator of Groot and Ronan, as well as most of the rest of the Marvel Universe) and Arnold Drake (writer on first Guardians comic book). The credits also note that Rocket Racoon was “created by” Bill Mantlo and Keith Giffen and that Drax the Destroyer, Gamora, and Thanos were “created by” Jim Starlin. The artists and writers who get a “created by” credit have reportedly reached some sort of legal agreement with Marvel/Disney whereas the others perhaps have not. The Kirby family especially is actively trying to assert Kirby’s authorship, most lately in a case they are trying to bring before the Supreme Court.
Pingback: You die a brand or live long enough to become an IP - A TV Calling
I’d like to throw this link here and suggest that figuring out the responsibility for any film script with more than one author is always difficult. I also think most people have very limited understandings of what different parties bring to a script.
And while I’m at it, it feels like screenplays in a different category. TV scripts are often written in a group fashion, with numerous people contributing at different stages, but also with those people more-or-less working together. Plays are mostly written by one or two people that retain a lot of control. Books can be written collaboratively, with drafts passed back and forth. But a screenplay will be written, and then given to someone else and rewritten (probably without a discussion). And then perhaps given to someone else, who rewrites it again. And then maybe it goes to someone who rebuilds the whole thing from the ground up. Scripts can go in a million different directions and it’s difficult to way what changes are minor tweaks and which are gamechangers. And this process almost without exception takes place out of public view, so that we only have self-serving and secondhand testimony afterwards to figure out what happened.
I don’t disagree with the premise of any of these observations, but one of the things that’s interesting to me about this situation is that we actually do know a fair bit because both parties involved have discussed it in so many outlets. Now, this is obviously self-serving to some degree, but there’s a pretty clear timeline established, and enough knowledge of Gunn’s personal style (and Perlman’s acknowledgment she doesn’t do comedy) that there is a space for delineation, if not clear delineation. More than in other cases where we see a shared screenplay credit (like with Dawn of the Planet of the Apes, where Mark Bomback is credited alongside Rise co-writers Rick Jaffa and Amanda Silver) with almost no context, the unique circumstances of the Marvel Writing Program mean that we have a clear line at which point the script became Gunn’s responsibility.
While we can take any specific claims with a grain of salt, I do think the sheer volume of information makes this a tougher case to just chalk up to “we’ll never know.” I say this not to try to discredit either writer, but rather to note that context shifts authorship, and we are not lacking in context in this particular case.
the only material relevant to any discussion of authorship of this, or any other film, are the scripts themselves, major editorial versions and the final distributed film.
Presumably these are what the WGA used to arrive at their determination.
Anything else, especially comments in interviews, are only speculation fuel.
That’s why, for me, this isn’t a discussion about whether or not the WGA decision is right or wrong: The decision is the decision, and allows both to claim authorship.
But that creates the court of popular discourse, which may be speculative, but is ultimately crucial to a film like this one. The fact is that authorship is a discursive construction and not a definitive fact, as evidence by Perlman and Gunn’s respective efforts to articulate their authorship, and by journalists writ large working to confront that authorship in often complicated ways. All parties’ respective choices in how to frame the authorship of this film are far more constitutive of “authorship” than the actual facts, at least for a larger viewing public, which is why there is on some level a conflict between the “And” as credited by the WGA (rather than “After,” for example, which would be more accurate but doesn’t fit into the logics of how screenwriting credits are given). But either way, it isn’t cut and dry based on the WGA arbitration, because that’s just one piece in the broader puzzle of shared and negotiated authorship.
I don’t think the ‘court of popular discourse’ has any real claim to jurisdiction in this matter – especially without any real evidence to work with…two people (among many others) have a claim to ‘authorship’ of a screenplay, the body that has the authority to define authorship (and which both Perlman and Gunn have, at least publicly, acknowledged as the arbiter in the matter) have made their determination. I don’t want to seem like i’m trolling here, but I honestly question whether the issue of authorship would even exist if Perlman was male, much of the tone of articles speculating on ‘who wrote Guardians of the Galaxy’ has seemed, at least to me, to imply that Gunn’s credit is in some way taking something away from Perlman, when in fact these kinds of shared credits are the norm these days, especially when the director is in fact a writer/director.
And speaking personally, I wouldn’t be rushing to claim screenplay credit for this film.
As someone who’s been involved with WGA arbitration from both sides (as both a writer and an arbitrator) over a period of thirty years, let me assure you the process is completely random, depending almost entirely on the aesthetic biases of the arbitrators involved, who — like jurors in court cases — are usually the people with the most free time available to do an arbitration, ie: not necessarily the most qualified people to make a judgment. The WGA credit arbitration procedure is a tool the Writers Guild negotiated for to fight against traditional forms of credit abuse by producers (giving screen credit to friends, nephews, assistants, bystanders, etc.) and has its greatest impact within the field on a writer’s income and negotiating position in future contracts. No one working in the business seriously considers it an aesthetic judgment on the actual “authorship” of a screenplay or TV episode, though for public consumption they pretend to. Unless a writer writes, directs, acts all parts, produces, cuts, finances and distributes his own product, there is no single “author” of any film, New Wave critics notwithstanding.
Pingback: Bitrot Media - Guardians Of The Galaxy - Comic Book Bitrot
Pingback: Nicole Perlman über Guardians of The Galaxy und das Marvel Writing-Program - PewPewPew
Pingback: Drehbuchautorin Nicole Perlman über Guardians of The Galaxy und das Marvel Writing-Program - PewPewPew
Pingback: Come and Stream Your Songs?: The Jukebox Soundtrack in the YouTube/Spotify Era | Cultural Learnings